How to become a Singer-Songwriter
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00:00 Welcome to The Voice Vibe
00:11 Meet Madeline Soleil: A Musical Journey
01:50 Madeline's Early Musical Influences
03:15 The Turning Point: Finding Her Voice
06:38 Mental Health and Music as Therapy
09:36 Overcoming Self-Doubt and Embracing Vulnerability
14:15 The Importance of Authenticity in Music
15:57 Madeline's Mission: Connecting Through Music
31:07 Navigating the Music Industry as a Young Female
36:27 Advice for Aspiring Singer-Songwriters
44:05 Madeline's Upcoming Projects and Final Thoughts
Introduction and Guest Welcome
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Philippe Hall: Hello, and welcome to The Voice Vibe. My name is Philippe Hall. I'm your host, and today I have the pleasure of welcoming a special guest. Her name is Madeline Soleil.
Madeline's Musical Journey
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Philippe Hall: Madeline, according to her family, was born singing. Her parents like to say she never cried. She merely practiced her belting. Convinced she was a missing Disney princess, Madeline sang every waking moment.
As she Aged, music became therapy for her, an artful and effective way to cope with growing up and growing depression. At the age of 14, she found Philippe Hall and through him found her voice. Once a shy lover of music, she became a mostly fearless musician and advocate. By the age of 17, Madeline had written and recorded her debut album, weeds and wildflowers.
After graduating from high school in Arizona, she moved to Provo, Utah, where she became a full time songwriting teacher and intern at June Audio Recording Studio. She's currently finishing her second album and preparing to marry her sweetheart, Carson Hanson in August. That's some pretty exciting news.
So welcome Madeline. How are you doing today?
Madelyn Soleil: Hi, I'm doing good. How are you?
Philippe Hall: Great. It's good to see you. And um, for everybody that has been waiting on us to start the live stream, just had a couple of little technical glitches and we're ready to go now. So it's good to see you. This is going to be a lot of fun.
Um, it's a special, special relationship we have. Um, and I just think it's amazing what has happened for you in the last four or five years. Thank you so much.
Overcoming Challenges and Finding Purpose
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Philippe Hall: Maybe you could start off with, I want to dig a little deeper because your family says you've always been singing. Were you aware of that growing up that you were singing all the time?
Madelyn Soleil: I think, I think I was because I was always drawn to like the movies and TV shows that were centered around music. So I knew that I enjoyed it. And I think, Because of that, I, I was somewhat aware that it was part of me, but I didn't, I didn't always know that it was something that I wanted to create. I just thought that I was like pulled to it, you know, but I definitely have always been singing and loving music.
Philippe Hall: That's a good description. Feeling pulled towards something. I think that's also, I can relate to that. I just felt pulled towards. toward, uh, performing, toward studying, singing, performing. It just was always a pull and I just followed that. And that, well, it led me all around the world to do things that I never expected doing, you know, just like having a podcast and live stream about singing.
I would have never imagined it wasn't even on My screen as an adolescent, not, not at all, really. So what I, I was in Arizona and I was teaching some master classes there and also some private lessons. And you just showed up and I didn't know who you were and you were there with your mom and we had a singing lesson and then you went on your way.
And, but something happened that day. What, what happened? It seems to be quite, uh, like a rocket launch.
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to put it. I think, at that point, I'd never really taken myself seriously in that way. And my parents, for Christmas, they got me like, It was my Christmas present, was this lesson with you, and I was so excited, but I was so scared because I was like, this is a professional.
I'm just a kid, I just like to sing, you know? But I think in that lesson with you, you took me seriously, and you, you made me, in a sense, you like, made me into something, because I didn't, I didn't have those skills before to like, belt and, you know, all the things that we learned just in that one lesson, but.
What really changed was I started to take myself seriously because you did and I looked up to you and respected you and obviously you knew more about the industry and the art at that time than I ever, I ever did. And so that's just, I think that's the spark that kind of was ignited that day.
Philippe Hall: Yeah, I was really fun to hear about that also from your mom, uh, later, just saying from that moment you walked out and said, this is what I'm going to do with my life.
Madelyn Soleil: And she
Philippe Hall: was really like She she felt really positive about it and be like wow, okay Madeline knows what she's gonna do and a lot of kids say that a lot of people say that people say that to me all the time, but now Five years later going from Um, first voice lesson as, what were you a freshman in high school?
And now you've, since then it's been, yeah, that rocket has launched and you've released an album. You are preparing to release your second album and arguably are doing things in the industry already that I never did. I did things in the industry on different sides, but you're doing things Now that that I haven't done before and that's really exciting So I thought it would be just wonderful to share your story and talk to our audience about Um, about your journey, because a lot of people have the dream to sing, but a lot of people have the dream to become a singer songwriter and you have done that.
And you're, you're still at the beginning of your journey, arguably, but you're much further already than most people ever get. And I think that's really exciting. So, uh, well, when we were talking about preparing for this.
Mental Health and Music as Therapy
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Philippe Hall: Uh, and having this discussion, you, you wrote a lot of interesting things, uh, what things you'd like to talk about, uh, so things about mental health, music is therapy, navigating the industry as a young female, importance of finding your voice and confidence through music and wanting to share about what you love most about recording, teaching, songwriting.
And it's just very fascinating. So I didn't know a lot of things. So tell us about, I mean, I think it's a real thing. And I, as a teenager, I experienced like every teenager ups and downs, got all this chemicals running wild inside of our bodies. It's inevitable that you're going to feel depressed here and there, but it, you wrote specifically mental health and music is therapy.
So tell us a little bit about. About how how um what your experience was because I think sometimes This can really shut down people and you found a way to move through forward and beyond So yeah Share your experience with this if you don't mind.
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah, it's actually really interesting because Um, my family is very open about mental health things and a lot of it is genetic So I was I was kind of bored with depression and anxiety and some of these clinical disorders, but um, I was treated really young.
Although I, there's always kind of like this missing piece where I had medication, I had therapy, and I had all these things, but I didn't have like my own, I guess, like way to regulate myself and deal with it in the moment. And then as I, progressed into this career and into this like just snowball of music, I found that it was like that, that missing piece.
It gave me what I needed to heal myself in real time and in real situations. And so I think one of the biggest parts of that is just songwriting. That I'd say is the most like prominent of the healing factors because I, I can just sit there and I can just like pour my soul out and it's, it's just me and my guitar and I can decide who hears it.
I can decide if it's just a song that I just sit on or if it's a song that I share and I can, I can tell my story and I can use that to hopefully help people. And that is a really healing thing in depression. So, Yeah.
Philippe Hall: How do you get past the, the resistance? And what I mean by that is even a lot of, a lot of adults, a lot of teachers, a lot of young kids feel like, who am I?
What do I have to say? Why does anybody care? Who's going to listen?
Madelyn Soleil: I'm
Philippe Hall: really not that great. What do I know? There are people that are smarter, more experienced. How do you get past that barrier and just say and start believing that what you have to say Actually has a value.
Navigating the Music Industry
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Madelyn Soleil: Yeah, that's that's a really good question because that is very real I mean no matter like at every stage in this career that i've developed in I have felt that and i've Sat there and had those conversations with myself where i'm like, okay am I am I really deserving of this but I think You One of the best ways that I combat that is just, I understand that it's not, it's not really about where I am.
It's not really about what I've done and what credibility I have. It's just that I am a human being. And the reality of my mission is just to, to give that, um, that sense of like, vulnerability and just like safety to people where they can just feel with somebody and relate to somebody. And. I think because I am not credible in all these things, and I do not see myself as this like high and mighty, I don't know, I, I feel like I have a better opportunity to relate to people, and I just remind myself of that, and I think that's what, what helps, you know?
Yeah,
Philippe Hall: yeah. Yeah. It's, I'm glad you're finding, I think everybody has to find their It sounds strange that we need a justification or a reason, but we do not, very few people are just like, Hey, what I have to say is the best. I know everything. And very few people are like that. The reality is I do try and talk to this about singers, uh, with singers and also with, with voice teachers.
There are a lot of voice teachers that don't want to, they don't feel qualified enough to share things. I think the most important thing as an artist is, is, your greatest capital is you. It's the way you see the world is completely unique. And in my conversations with other, uh, great educators and coaches, my respect a lot, we always comes down to after you do learn the technique, the vocal technique is, serves the purpose of technique in anything in art, in sports, it's to free you up to express.
And if you don't get ever get to the expression point, you're missing the whole point. And just learning to understand that. The way you see the world is unique and the, your, every single experience in your life has been filtered by your unique perception, so your view of the world is unique and just sharing that can inspire so many people.
I, I don't mean to do it like a movie plug, but did you see In N Out 2 yet? My daughter loves that
Madelyn Soleil: movie.
Philippe Hall: In N Out and the first one's so cute and In N Out 2 is all about being a teenager and what you go through and but it's great. It talks about belief systems and they have these great visual images like every single experience.
So basically, spoiler alert, the way they solve the problem is instead of filtering out all the bad experiences, they include everything. Everything she's ever experienced, and it's not perfect, and it's not all pretty, and that brings us The core essence of the individual and that unique perspective to the world.
And I think it is so valuable to share that it's inspiring. Um, and you did, you, you, you said that the inspiration for a lot of your first album was real life and struggles and just being a teenage girl that I don't think is, I think it's probably more difficult to be a teenage girl today than it's ever been.
You could say that for teenage boys as well, but you know, now you've got social media in your face all the time and When I was growing up, hey, there was television and there were magazines, but we didn't have social media Nobody's walking around with an app and a smartphone, you know, now you have that in your face all the time So what what what did you what in what were the inspirations for your first album?
And and I mean, you know And I want to also get to your, your concert, but the, the launch concert, what did you want to communicate with this album?
Madelyn Soleil: I think I just wanted to kind of unlock this like wall that's been put up between like us and our reality and social media. Like there's this very, there's this wall where we filter ourselves and we edit ourselves before we show ourselves.
And I wanted to be able to say, like, no, like, this is just me. This is, these are my relationship experiences and my traumas and my, um, these are my insecurities. These are, this is how I look at myself and this is why that's hard and this is why that's good. And I wanted to be real with people. I wanted from the beginning to just be honest and just be myself and just create.
Like this community where people who listen to my music and people who know me and you know Are walking this with me can do the same and feel empowered in that way I just wanted to to really have a deeper connection with people that was real
Philippe Hall: And you decided to donate the proceeds of your Of your premiere concert to an organization.
Do you want to tell us a little bit about that? How did you come to that decision? I mean most artists are like, oh my gosh, this cost me so much time and money I need to just make some money back and you didn't you're like no i'm giving it away It's like whoa, that's a big decision. That's very Unusual.
So what, what, what guided you to do that?
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah. Well, so I was, I was just playing every gig I could for a long time and I stumbled into one, one time that was, it was specifically for teen mental health. So they had all these local, um, teenage artists like myself, and we all sang songs and perform to teen mental health.
Just advocate for this cause, and there were several, several foundations that showed up and representatives for them, and they talked about what it was that it was for, and there was one called the Alexander Neville Foundation, and it was this mom, um, and her son had passed away, um, Due to fentanyl poisoning and she talked about how much mental health matters in that in that cause and how they go hand in hand and you know, I think she's doing a lot of good and I've seen that I've seen that development there and it's just such a beautiful thing.
But after that. That show, that gig, I came to be really good friends with that family. And, um, I just, I grew to love them so much. And when it came to my concert, I always knew, like, I just, I knew it wasn't for me. I knew it was kind of about me in a sense. Like it, it's my album, it's my music, it's my stories, but I knew it wasn't for me.
And so when it came, when I started thinking about, you know, the income of. Of the concert and what was gonna come as a result of it for me I was like, I don't I don't need that like I don't need that kind of validation. I don't need I don't need that to um pay it off like I had worked and done every show and all these things to have the money to record and to Put on this concert and so I didn't I didn't need like I wasn't in debt, you know and so I was just like I want to give this to somebody and I really pondered that and I really I really considered that and I, I just, my mind kept going to the Alexander Neville Foundation because I, I respected and loved that family so much and I believed in the cause that they were.
Fighting for. So it, it was kind of a no brainer for me, you know?
Philippe Hall: Yeah. Sounds like you were, again, pulled towards that. Mm-Hmm. . It's a great musical , a song in, in musicals called, uh, pulled, I don't know if you've heard of, pulled In a New Direction.
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah,
Philippe Hall: it's very cool. I, I
Madelyn Soleil: couldn't tell you what one that's from, but I do recognize it.
Philippe Hall: Yes. I, I wanted to jump to, um, jump into. Also your, your advice, because what you've done is it's incredible. It's amazing. It's inspiring. No people. There's a very, a saying that's very true. You overestimate what you can do in a couple of months and, and drastically underestimate what you can do in four to five years.
And at the beginning, we had a voice lesson. You walked out, said, this is what I want to do with my life. Could you imagine, have imagined, I mean you did imagine, but I mean in this short amount of time that it would happen quickly for you.
Madelyn Soleil: No, I really didn't. I really didn't. I thought, you know, I knew I, it was my purpose.
I knew it was who I was, was like, I needed to do this. I needed this to be my life. But I didn't realize how like the world would give back to me in that. I didn't realize how It would all work out like this. So it's just been so surreal and humbling and just like incredible every step of in between and just looking back at how I how I felt about myself to begin with and how almost like I I just I didn't I didn't have like the tools and the skills to make this happen.
I think innately So it's cool to see how I, I've made those.
Philippe Hall: Yes. I, you have some really, really valuable advice and very, very wise advice. I don't know if you realize that you may, you may not, you might be just sharing your experience, but in our conversation, I recognize a lot of things. What you just said is part of it, right?
If you wait until you have all the tools. ready, you might miss your opportunity. And there is, we talked about the saying fake it till you make it, that we both really don't like that, but when, but there's a lot of truth in it. It's not be a fraud. That's not it. It's that you have to. You have to go, you have to do your best until you make it.
You have to acquire these skills and you're not ever going to be a hundred percent. You probably still don't feel a hundred percent perfect and ready. And you never will. I don't, there's a, I'm still learning. And as long as you're learning, you realize I don't know everything. I can still get better. And so if you wait until you even think, you know everything, you've got all the skills.
It's going to be too late.
Advice for Aspiring Singer-Songwriters
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Philippe Hall: So let's talk about some advice, some advice. If somebody wants to become a singer songwriter, what should they do? And this is, this is what I thought was so wise on your part. So I want to get back to it. Um, what should you do? Anybody that's listening, if they want to really become a singer, a songwriter, what do they need to do?
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah. I think. Honestly, the whole battle and the whole, like, the career and whatever that you're creating is very much mental. So I think the first step is, is taking out the word become. Because, like the phrase, fake it till you make it, you know? Which we obviously discussed and don't agree with, like, maybe the wording or the thought process behind it.
What it means to people. I think a better way to think about it is Claim it until you become it. So if you want to be a singer songwriter You say I'm someone who sings and I'm someone who songwrites and this is this is where I'm going with that And you claim that from the beginning and it's it's not this it doesn't then it doesn't have to be this thing where You only are what you've accomplished.
It's, you are what you're striving for. You are what your intentions are. You are What your character is along the way and I think that's so much more valuable and that's so much more sustaining In that process of developing a career in that
Philippe Hall: that's really cool I like it claim it until you become it
Madelyn Soleil: Mm hmm.
Philippe Hall: Pretty cool. All right there. I want a song. I want a I want a song. It's called claim you become it It's my song wish. Put it, put on your long list. Um, yeah, it's so important. And that's why I think you've had success. It's a, it's a shift. You've got it. This is, if you wake up and you say, this is who I am. I am a singer.
I am a songwriter. And you know, you're not complete, but if you're, if you are that, you're going to be on your journey to becoming the best version of that. But if you're waiting to become it before being it, you never really, you don't go through the journey of being.
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah.
Philippe Hall: How does it help, how did that help you to, I mean, what did you do to claim it?
Did you, Would you just put it in your bio? Did you put it in your mental bio where you'd say, hi, I'm Madeline. I'm a singer. I'm a songwriter. Uh, what did you do? How did you own it?
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah, it is a whole, it's a whole thing. Cause there's the, the step of identifying that and like saying, okay, I know this is true and then there's like implementing that, you know, and I think for me, what I did was, um, people would always ask me like at school and stuff, cause I would, I would post about.
Um, my music, and it started just little YouTube clips of me singing little covers and things, but people would ask me about it, and I took that as the first opportunity to, to claim it, right? Like, I would, I would say like, yeah, thank you, I, I am doing this, and I would, it, it wasn't like this prideful thing, it was just, it was, it was just claiming it, and I think That doesn't take, like, all this, like, confidence and whatever.
It's just saying, yeah, that's, that is what this was. That is me doing this, you know? And then, I think, from there, it just, I guess, like, I sort of grew and expanded in that and just where I allowed myself to be. Cause for a long time, I was like, I don't, I don't think I could ever step foot in the professional recording studio.
I don't think I could ever perform for this many people. Like I'm not good enough for that. And then I, I had to sort of shift in that way too, where it was like, I am this, I am a singer, I am a songwriter. I am someone with a message and someone with a story. And that's, that shouldn't limit me to this.
That doesn't mean I'm incapable or unworthy of, of expansion. And then I could open my mind and like get out of my own way to get into the studio and to get in front of more people. And it just, it was very much mental first. It was always mental first, but I, I think I sought opportunities to implement it.
I guess more physically. And
Philippe Hall: I love that. I like what
Madelyn Soleil: I did. Yeah.
Philippe Hall: You keep saying it was mental first, right? It was, people talk about visualization or being mindful, but it is. And when I, the first time I speak with any singer on a consultation call, first thing I say is the first thing you have to do to change anything about the way you sing is change the way you think about singing and
Madelyn Soleil: yeah,
Philippe Hall: because singing is thought controlled.
So. It's mental first, right? You, you have to have create that mind shift. And I love that you keep saying you don't have to be, you don't have to have any qualifications to do that. You have to, it's something you do in your own mind. And I ask you a question, If somebody came up to you and said, I want to become a great singer.
What should I do? You said, ask yourself these questions. I don't know if you remember the three we talked about, but I wrote it down because I thought they're very profound. The first question was why what do you mean by Why
Madelyn Soleil: I think by why I just mean like what what is it to you? You know, like what what is what do you expect from it?
And What do you hope to do with it? You know, like those, those kind of like intentional questions, like there's, there's something deeper to the why I think it's like, what does that mean to you? What is, you know, cause it, it does it as you expand in your career, more eyes are on you and more people have opinions about you and know of you and all these things, but what are you going to do with that?
Like, what is. What are you going to do when you have that? Why? Why do you want that?
Philippe Hall: Yeah, it's really, it's really profound. I don't know if you're aware of it, but this is a fundamental question that across the board in so many industries and in just personal success. Finding your core motivation. It's the why.
Why do you do anything you do? If you don't know, you have no purpose. You have no direction. And then you, the next thing you said was walk it, own it. What does that mean?
Madelyn Soleil: I think it goes back to that. Just claim it until you claim where you're going to be right. Like, I think just walking it and owning it is if you are.
If the extent of your experience in your practice is just being in your room, and writing songs, and singing them for your mom, which, that was me for a really long time, if that's where you are, then that's You are, you're a songwriter, you're an artist, you're a creator, you're a creative. And I think it's just, it's understanding that, it's claiming that, it's walking out into the world and, and giving yourself that credit.
That's a big part is give yourself credit along the way and not expect that At a certain point you're going to deserve it and it's going to you're going to become this you're going to wake up And you're going to have enough followers or enough streams to be an actual artist You're an artist if you create art, you know,
Philippe Hall: yeah That's that's so important because yeah insecurity and so self confidence and self doubt there They're what kills creativity So I love that you say you are it, so claim it and own it.
One thing you said, um, just a minute ago is also what is the reason, the why, what is the reason because not everybody's going to be your best friend and, and cheer you on that you meet along your way, right? Some people are, not everybody's going to like your music. There's going to be setbacks. So tell us about, tell us about that.
You know, you mentioned being a female, uh, you know, You know in the industry you said the navigating the industry is a young female so there's good and there's bad and how did you do it something just and maybe you can talk about as you're talking to us about that just One thing you said that I thought was so wise and so important and maybe we'll get to that in a minute It's just I had the feeling the entire time You were focused on enjoying the journey of being humble and just learning slowly everything you needed to learn.
You weren't in a rush. You weren't trying to say, I know how to do this already. You just took the time to learn every skill you need over time. And, and I just got the vibe from you that you enjoyed it. And that was a part of claiming it and owning it. So how did that help you? Navigate the industry.
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah, I think it, it definitely was difficult.
There were a lot of things like for example, in high school 'cause that's when it all sort of snowballed and, um, I, I was very much not treated normally after I started, after I jumped into this career. Like, it seems like everyone who knew me either. Like, hated me and wanted to, like, tear me down out of jealousy or out of judgment, I don't know.
But, they disliked me or they loved me and they wanted to, like, put their name next to mine. And I just, I remember always sitting there and being like, Why is no one just normal to me? Like, I, I have acne like you do. I'm not, I'm not, not a teenager like you. But I just felt so, like, separated from people.
And I think It, it was just hard, it was hard to connect on a personal level once I made it my mission to connect on this, like, broader, deeper level. Cause then, it was almost like I wasn't a person to people in a lot of ways. And that sounds dramatic, but that's what it felt like at the time. But I think I combated that really just by, like you said, like, enjoying the journey and enjoying the steps that I was taking.
Acknowledging those and planning my next ones, you know, thinking what's next. What have I done? What, what do I have to be proud of and what do I have to accomplish next? And that's what kept me out of my own head and out of like the drowning in those opinions and in that crazy dynamic in high school is
Philippe Hall: just,
Madelyn Soleil: yeah.
It's just that mentality in that.
Philippe Hall: Well, it's good training because. That's life in the entertainment industry.
Madelyn Soleil: It is,
Philippe Hall: you know, uh, and I'm sympathetic, but there are a lot of artists and you're well aware, and so are many other people that succumb to their depression. That, that compensate. with drugs and extreme lifestyle and it's easy to do.
I mean, I've done so many premieres and openings. I've done 4, 000 paid performances or more and you work really hard and then you have this big moment of celebration and it's exciting. And the next day you still wake up in your bed and you still have to do medial things. You're still part of this world, but Some people don't treat you like part of the world or they're because now you represent something that they have a hard time identifying with and Maybe they're intimidated.
Maybe they're jealous. Maybe they want to jump on your coattails Maybe they want to shoot you down because they didn't have the courage to do it Or maybe just as simple that, ah, they just, you just annoy them. I, you know, I can't speak for that person. They just bother me. We're so many reasons out there, but it is reality, you know, and it is, it's, it's how it goes.
So in the industry too, you're in comp, people feel, some people feel more in competition, some are more aggressive. Some people, people feel like they'll get ahead if they put you down. I mean, I've experienced. All of that, it can be very, very, um, intense. And, uh, I didn't know what the word malicious meant until I'd been in the industry for a little while where people actually get joy out of trying to slow you down.
And it's so bizarre to me because it's not at all. A part of me so you have this mini high school bubble that you are we're already experiencing that and That's tough. It's tough on any teenager, you know, let's move on. So let's say Because you did it you you you've claimed what you are You are you are already that and you're becoming more of that.
So congratulations. That's a huge accomplishment And you deserve to be congratulated Um, if I wanted to release an album, what do I do?
Releasing an Album: Tips and Insights
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Philippe Hall: How do I do that, Madeline? I got an album. I've been writing songs all my life. Um, where do I, what do I, how do I do that nowadays?
Madelyn Soleil: The coolest part about, just like, just thinking about how to go about that is that anyone can do it.
Like it, we really think like all these artists and the charts and stuff like, Oh, they must have all this crazy gear and a lot of people do. But you don't need it, like, even if you just use GarageBand, which, I think everyone, everyone's probably got it on their phones, whether they want to admit it or not, um, like, it's enough.
It's the process of just creating that's really what makes it valuable, and it's the effort of sharing that creativity that's what makes it worth releasing. So it's, it doesn't come down to, like, Is my gear expensive enough? Can I afford the studio I, you know, someone else uses or not? It's just, is it, is it your art?
And if the answer is yes, which it probably is, then It's worth it, and there are a lot of ways to go about that, you can, there are all these platforms that, you know, you send your songs in, and then they distribute it to all the different music platforms. And it's just so, it's so easy now, and I think that's such a beautiful thing, and more people could be taking advantage of that.
So, it's important to understand it, it's not It's not this big, like, mountain of a thing that only certain people deserve to climb. It's just, it's just creating art. It's just other steps to creating art, and it's, it's really simple.
Philippe Hall: Yeah, I, it's, it's amazing you say that.
Madelyn Soleil: Mm
Philippe Hall: hmm. Because I think, I've never heard Anybody say it's really simple.
So, but that I think is a key to your success so far. And you're just the beginning of your journey. So I expect there'll be a lot more coming, but that right there. And that it's a, there's something in the way you view this. That I think is special that is valuable to communicate to other people and that I've never heard anybody say it's simple But you just keep saying it's so easy nowadays.
It's so simple. You just have to do this. You have to do that okay, so I think that comes into the managing your expectations and once again the your core belief that the purpose the whole purpose is the creative process and And enjoying the whole creative process instead of being overwhelmed by it.
And if you have these acts expectations that they'll crush you, if they're, if they're not realistic. So how do you manage your expectations? Expectations remain ambitious, you know, not saying, Oh, I want five people to listen to my song. No, you, everybody wants 5 million people to listen to their song, but how do you manage the expectations and enjoy the creative process?
And so that it becomes this enjoyable, easy thing to do.
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah, I think the key is separating your expectations from yourself and from, like, the reality of your work. So, I say that recording in that process is simple, and it's simple because it's accessible, but it's, it's also complicated because of, you know, the deeper you get into it and the, you know, Depending on the studio you work in and the producers you work for, there are other people involved.
And it's hard to collaborate in schedules, even, just to make collaboration in music happen. But, um, I think as far as expectations go, it's just, it all just comes down to saying, I expect myself to uphold this character. I expect myself to uphold this character. maintain the humility that I have, I have found.
I expect myself to not give up, you know. I expect myself to be courteous to the people I work with. I expect myself to, you know, it's, it's, it's expecting things of your character and not expecting like I expect. That this will be easy. I expect that this will be, uh, that other people will think this of me when I do this.
I expect that I'm going to feel this way about myself afterwards. It's just, the things you can expect are the things you can control, and everything else you have to be, it has to not be for everything else, because that's not dependable. Really in this industry like sometimes your music will flop and sometimes it will blow up and It's just that's not really truly up to you What is up to you is who you are when it does and when it doesn't you know?
Philippe Hall: Yeah, well, that's that's very inspiring
Madelyn Soleil: It
Philippe Hall: was very inspiring. I'm feeling very inspired. I hope everybody else is feeling inspired to just implement this Continue to implement it In your life, you know, expect what you can expect of yourself and this applies in, in everything. You know, I, I was, I'm a big dreamer.
I'm a creative person. So my dreams are not small. They're like world sized dreams. And having those kinds of expectations can be crushing when it doesn't pan out. And sometimes it doesn't, it doesn't do everything right. And then it's like,
Madelyn Soleil: and you're
Philippe Hall: like, Hmm, back to the drawing board. And if you, if you don't expect, I expect myself to learn.
I expect myself to get better each time. I expect myself to contribute something to the world that is beyond me. Because like you said, it's not just about me, what I'm doing. I've discovered that my influence was so much more meaningful than I thought. It was much more about, much more meaningful than just for me.
And now just touching people's lives. I did not expect, and I could not expect Madeline Soleil to walk in the door. I have one lesson and then leave expecting to do this for the rest of her life. That had nothing to do with me. I was just there and expecting myself to do my best work. And then look what happens and you're doing the same thing just through your music now.
And also I think this, this is a, a wonderful, wonderful, um, conversation. And thank you so much for being here. You're doing an amazing job. Love your attitude. You're just really on track. So keep going. Keep staying true to yourself. Claiming it. Owning it. Being it. Enjoying that creative process.
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Philippe Hall: Tell us a little bit, a little bit of promotion for, for you, for your music.
If somebody wants to listen to your music, which you should do, her music's great. I just, Shared it with a friend this morning. I'm like, yeah, she's her music's really good. I really enjoy it Uh, where where do they go? How do they find you?
Madelyn Soleil: i'm on spotify and apple music and like all the streaming platforms thanks to the Distributing companies that I I plugged in.
Well, I guess I didn't label any of them, but you know, there are a lot of them anyways um, you can you can stream my music just by looking up madeline soleil on any of them or You Weeds and wildflowers is the name of my album. That's I love it
Philippe Hall: Yeah, and if you're doing a post on instagram or something, guess what?
You can just put in madeline soleil and pick a cool song. There's a lot of really Beautiful beautiful music. So congratulations on that. Tell us about your your album. When's it coming out? Any any news any secrets? Promotion we can do don't you have a concert in a couple days or like two days? You
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah, I'm, I'm playing a little show with some local bands and I'm, I'm really excited about that.
So, um, but yeah, I do have an album in the works right now. I don't have a release date that I can announce just because I have this anxiety of announcing it and then it not working out because there are all these. Uh, factors that go into it, but it is coming, although I do have a single, just one song that is coming out July 17th, and that one's really exciting.
I actually was at the studio really late last night, just working on that and finalizing that and polishing that with some, some of the artists and producers and people that I like. Have in my circle and it's really coming together. I'm really excited about it.
Philippe Hall: That's exciting. So if people want to follow you, where did, how do they follow you, follow you so that they can know when your music's released,
Madelyn Soleil: I, I'm going to be honest, I feel like I suck at tick tock because tick tock is just, it's harder for me, but you can follow me there.
It's just Madeline Soleil. I think there's an underscore. At the end because I tried to make an account when I was like 12 or something and It just I I took that from myself early on and now can't log into it But anyways, i'm also on instagram and that one's just madeline soleil, which I would recommend more
Philippe Hall: So you're more more active on instagram.
All right. Well, so we'll we'll follow you on instagram and keep our eyes out elsewhere well, um I'll put some other details in the description. So on YouTube, so you can connect with Madeline, follow her, give her some likes and support. She has great music and wonderful advice. And if you ever want to reach out to her, I have actually sent some young clients to her that wanted to get into the industry and they love working with you.
So congratulations on that. Thanks so much for being here, Madeline.
Madelyn Soleil: Yeah. Thank you, Philippe. This has been really fun.
Philippe Hall: Yes, it has. We'll have to do it again. Have a great day.
Madelyn Soleil: You too.
Philippe Hall: Bye.
Madelyn Soleil: Bye.
